Vaccine reaction

Nick Mitchener

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We both had AZ, both had a reaction the day after and both less so on the 2nd jab. A friend in US who had already had covid had such a bad reaction to pfizer he wasn't going to have the 2nd one but we all encouraged him, when he did it was just as bad again. He couldn't see the point but tried to explain jab would deal with variants his own infection might not. Still an unhappy bunny.

My understanding is you have two responses to infection/vaccine. One is innate, built into your genes it can be sever or minor. It is like fight or flight you can't control it. The other is the immune system responding by making antibodies and desyroying the vaccine/infection. That is more controlled and structured than the innate throw the kitchen sink at it approach.
 
A model of one of my photographer friends had the AZ injection a few weeks ago, felt the usual aches and pains but was fine after a few days. Two weeks later she felt really unwell (no previous illness). Tests were done and it was discovered she had high white blood cell count... she died a few days ago aged 39.
Someone in town had AZ a few weeks ago and developed blood clots, they were put on life support. I heard this morning it was switched off... and they opened their eyes! No speech yet as far as I'm aware, but able to communicate... age 50

I've had both AZ jabs and I'm fine, I'm no anti-vaxer - but these incidents have really made me think. Was the injection the culprit, or have these folk had some underlying illness?
For things like that its mostly due to the persons overactive or underactive immune system.

Unfortunately there is no way around it, its not really the new vaccines fault per se, it could happen with any vaccine, or any infection that illicits such a strong immune response. I feel like the only reason the numbers are so high for things like that is because of the high numbers of people getting vaccinated in age groups that normally wouldn't be getting jabs for anything.

For example, most folks don't get any jabs between their teen years and their later years, unless they are going somewhere exotic for holiday or need flu jab etc due to other conditions. Similar to the hoohah about the AZ clot stats, there is a lot to be said for comparing and contrasting certain statistics to others. Similar statistical misinterpretation can be said for 'increasing autism rates in children' which is a false association because the reality is that there aren't any more autistic folks than there used to be, they are just getting diagnosed instead of ignored etc. Its only because COVID is in the news so much (daily statistics etc) that its in everyones minds when in reality, sadly people die of all sorts of stuff every day :/

Of course it is sad when people die suddenly, I'm not trying to take away from that at all, but in the example of those who have had high WBC counts due to the vaccine, if they had caught actual covid they probably would have had the same fate :(
 
I asked several American friends. Uncle Sam is paying for everyone apparently
That's the impression I was under as well.

On a side note, apparently in couple of states they now have what is called a 'vaccine lottery'.
For 5 weeks every week a reward of $1,000,000 will be offered randomly to one person that recently vaccinated.
I guess that's one way to get the supporters of Agent Orange to do the right thing....
 

labsleuth

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A model of one of my photographer friends had the AZ injection a few weeks ago, felt the usual aches and pains but was fine after a few days. Two weeks later she felt really unwell (no previous illness). Tests were done and it was discovered she had high white blood cell count... she died a few days ago aged 39.
Someone in town had AZ a few weeks ago and developed blood clots, they were put on life support. I heard this morning it was switched off... and they opened their eyes! No speech yet as far as I'm aware, but able to communicate... age 50

I've had both AZ jabs and I'm fine, I'm no anti-vaxer - but these incidents have really made me think. Was the injection the culprit, or have these folk have some underlying illness?
My goodness, how sad. The head of biology here developed a DVT a few days after her vaccination. She had to have hospital treatment, but thankfully is ok and back at work now. Still scary though.
 
That's the impression I was under as well.

On a side note, apparently in couple of states they now have what is called a 'vaccine lottery'.
For 5 weeks every week a reward of $1,000,000 will be offered randomly to one person that recently vaccinated.
I guess that's one way to get the supporters of Agent Orange to do the right thing....
:laughing: I'll tell my son on the proviso that he shares it 50/50
 

karen b

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Wow, they are actually accepting "socialised medicine"!! I worked as an Emergency responder for 6 years in North Carolina and learned how much I appreciate the NHS. Too many were refused treatment and died or went bankrupt trying to survive.
Only for this vaccine.

Two friends have shared stories on Facebook of outrageous charges being billed. One was from the EMT company for attending a scene and pronouncing their family member dead. Another was of someone they knew being charged for life support after someone had a severe head injury and was kept alive until the hospital could arrange for the organ donation to happen.
 
I haven't had mine yet... I have had COVID, and I think the WHO said it was quite rare catching it twice. My biggest concern is if I have the jab and won't be able to work - I will lose money as I am an agency worker if I am off sick
 
Wow, they are actually accepting "socialised medicine"!! I worked as an Emergency responder for 6 years in North Carolina and learned how much I appreciate the NHS. Too many were refused treatment and died or went bankrupt trying to survive.

The U.S. spends more on health care as a share of the economy — nearly twice as much as the average OECD country — yet has the lowest life expectancy and highest suicide rates among the 11 nations.
"Compared to peer nations, the U.S. has among the highest number of hospitalizations from preventable causes and the highest rate of avoidable deaths." - that tells you everything you need to know about how effective American model is....
 
I haven't had mine yet... I have had COVID, and I think the WHO said it was quite rare catching it twice. My biggest concern is if I have the jab and won't be able to work - I will lose money as I am an agency worker if I am off sick
Could you book it for a Friday afternoon / Saturday? I think the majority of people who have side effects (myself included) find that if they are going to be bad its only for the first 24 hours. Most people feel tired / achy, but would still be able to go to work. I had 24 hours in bed, then just tired and achy for a few more days. Only took 1 day off work.
 
Could you book it for a Friday afternoon / Saturday? I think the majority of people who have side effects (myself included) find that if they are going to be bad its only for the first 24 hours. Most people feel tired / achy, but would still be able to go to work. I had 24 hours in bed, then just tired and achy for a few more days. Only took 1 day off work.
In all honesty, I feel that already having COVID, should be good enough for my immune system. I do recall there are tests to see if you have antibodies for it though?
 
In all honesty, I feel that already having COVID, should be good enough for my immune system. I do recall there are tests to see if you have antibodies for it though?
If you've had COVID any side effects from the vaccine might be more pronounced. I had an antibody test last July (negative). My friend has them quite frequently as part of a study, but at the moment it's supposed to be a self-administered thumb prick. Not sure if they are offering the antibody test to many at the moment
 
I think someone in another group I am in said you can buy covid antibody testing packs for around £60 from Lloyds (perhaps). Several people are using these around a month after their 2nd vaccine on that group.
 
I think someone in another group I am in said you can buy covid antibody testing packs for around £60 from Lloyds (perhaps). Several people are using these around a month after their 2nd vaccine on that group.
£60?! in all honestly, I have faith in my bodies immune system and having to fork out nearly a days wages to find this out doesn't seem appealing. I think I might just stick to social distancing and staying at my allotment on my own for the time being!
 
A model of one of my photographer friends had the AZ injection a few weeks ago, felt the usual aches and pains but was fine after a few days. Two weeks later she felt really unwell (no previous illness). Tests were done and it was discovered she had high white blood cell count... she died a few days ago aged 39.
Someone in town had AZ a few weeks ago and developed blood clots, they were put on life support. I heard this morning it was switched off... and they opened their eyes! No speech yet as far as I'm aware, but able to communicate... age 50

I've had both AZ jabs and I'm fine, I'm no anti-vaxer - but these incidents have really made me think. Was the injection the culprit, or have these folk have some underlying illness?
They have injected tens of millions of people, including lots of older and unhealthy ones - a proportion of them will have had underlying illness and a proportion of them would have (sadly) died anyway. As far as I can see we should expect some of the people having the jab to get ill/die. Anecdotal evidence shouldn't put people off having it, but unfortunately seems to. The benefits outweigh the risks. (I've had 2 jabs of AZ).
 
Pfizer for me, no reaction bar a sore arm. Both my wife and neighbour had AZ, wife had chills/headache etc, neighbour had worst reaction i've heard of with glands swelling and she said she looked like neanderthal man with her forehead swelling....eek
 
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