HSE inspecting school for radiation

I agree
Something like that should be coming out of the main school budget

Lets be realistic, unless you're doing something drastically wrong it's a once-in-30-years outlay at the very most

Iirc the L093 docs we're preparing has something about budgeting agreements for replacements that are within the last 5 years of their life needing to be in place with finance etc. anyway
Cobalt 60 is the main problem as the 1/2 life is too short.
 

karen b

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I alerted the relevant teachers and compliance manager. The appointed person has just left. We do have another trained teacher but they did bog all last time they were in charge...

Following on from this

Does anyone here have an official title of assistant rps and get a point or two up the pay scale as a result? I think the HoD would support me if I asked for this, but having some examples would help my case. (Not that we have a pay scale, and realistically it would be more like a fiver a month for doing it)
 
Following on from this

Does anyone here have an official title of assistant rps and get a point or two up the pay scale as a result? I think the HoD would support me if I asked for this, but having some examples would help my case. (Not that we have a pay scale, and realistically it would be more like a fiver a month for doing it)
Yes, it's one of the things that I raised in my recent job description and pay review and, alongside other things, it resulted in my role being regraded :) I haven't actually done the training yet, as I refused until the pay was sorted, but I will be soon.
 
We are wanting to move the safe the sources are kept in, but I think the inspectors would have a problem with the suggested site as it is in the prep room next to our fridge. Do we have to have the safe in a locked cupboard in the prep room rather than just on the wall of the prep room?
 

Purple Cat

It's real Science not Rocket Science
We are wanting to move the safe the sources are kept in, but I think the inspectors would have a problem with the suggested site as it is in the prep room next to our fridge. Do we have to have the safe in a locked cupboard in the prep room rather than just on the wall of the prep room?
Really it should be in an area not frequently used by anyone. Failing that; (From CLEAPSS Guide L093);

"The store room must be restricted to science staff only, using a good-quality unique lock. Do not store radioactive sources in a teaching laboratory. A lockable science store room off a prep room or off a laboratory is ideal; a lockable cupboard in a prep room is acceptable. A store room used by the cleaners, or a general stationery cupboard used by school staff, or a boiler room, or an outside store are all examples of completely unsuitable store rooms.

Ground floor store rooms with standard glazed windows on an external wall are too easily broken into. If this is your only realistic choice of store room, you will need to improve the physical security, for example by fitting obscured laminated glazing. We don’t advise fitting external bars etc across windows as it may unintentionally flag that there is ‘something inside worth stealing’."
 

Nick Mitchener

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If anybody in an LA role is graded higher or paid more for looking after sources I'd appreciate knowing what grade you are on.
I'm not at all impressed with the attitude here towards pay for Techs, but they use the excuse that nothing can be done as it is all decided by County.
 
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If anybody in an LA role is graded higher or paid more for looking after sources I'd appreciate knowing what grade you are on.
I'm not at all impressed with the attitude here towards pay for Techs, but they use the excuse that nothing can be done as it is all decided by County.
I suspect you won't get far - the RPS can delegate tasks but they cannot delegate responsibility and it's usually responsibility that gets better pay!
 
Ours are in a locked box, bolted to a wall, in our undercroft.. Literally in the foundations. Even security don't go in there.. It's dark and scary, with rat traps. 2 doors between that and the "useable" building, excluding service corridors that only site can access. Plus a totally different key for the box itself.
 
Everyone see this little ray of sunshine coming from the government:
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/UKHSE/bulletins/3104300

Where schools use radioactive materials as part of their learning activities, they are required to comply with the Ionising Radiations Regulations 2017 (IRR17) and seek registration from HSE.

To ensure that the risks to workers and students from radiation are managed effectively, from April 2022 HSE’s radiation team will be carrying out inspections in schools who hold registration for this type of work to review compliance with IRR17.

Just great...
Do you have Radiological Protection Advisor?
 

Purple Cat

It's real Science not Rocket Science
I have recieved an e-mail today (again!) asking about making sure the paperwork is correctly filled in for our non-existent radioactive sources as has my HoD.

HoD does not want to be notified either to the SMT / Business Manager / Site Manager as an RPO (and I doubt anyone else would - we no longer have a Physics specialist).

We both have said we don't have any but apparently we still have to have the paperwork filled in 'just in case' which is not true as we have no intention of getting any and couldn't store them safely even if we did intend to get them.

Anyone else being faced with all the hassle of this even though you don't have radioactive sources?

Being asked to prove a negative again is a pain in the ****.
 

Nick Mitchener

COMMITTEE
you definitely don't need the paperwork if you don't have the sources, though not sure how you teach without them. You could, just, do it with artefacts and a GM tube
 

Purple Cat

It's real Science not Rocket Science
you definitely don't need the paperwork if you don't have the sources, though not sure how you teach without them. You could, just, do it with artefacts and a GM tube
That's exactly my point but the site manager won't have it, he is insisting that the paperwork be filled in because someone has asked it to be done (I'm going to find out who - even if it is some bureaucrat at the HSE)
 
That's exactly my point but the site manager won't have it, he is insisting that the paperwork be filled in because someone has asked it to be done (I'm going to find out who - even if it is some bureaucrat at the HSE)
if you did have them then you should have disposal records maybe.

are you registered with the hse? maybe you need to update the records there.
 
and further to this Cleapss have changed the use log, and the rpo wants us to confirm the appointment as rpo as some schools have lost the records.

Many of the documents originally completed by schools for the LA to provide the CLEAPSS RPA service are quite old, and do not necessarily reflect the current position

Each school employer must have a 'letter of appointment' recording this. It is a legal requirement. HSE inspectors will ask to see it. If you are unable to produce it, it could constitute a material breach of the regulations
 

Purple Cat

It's real Science not Rocket Science
if you did have them then you should have disposal records maybe.

are you registered with the hse? maybe you need to update the records there.
We do have the disposal records, I have copies and so does the site manager
 

Purple Cat

It's real Science not Rocket Science
and further to this Cleapss have changed the use log, and the rpo wants us to confirm the appointment as rpo as some schools have lost the records.
Who / how do I contact the HSE and is it actually my responsibility as a Senior Technician?
 
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